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tonight, who will make the cut? there is not just hours to go before vice president harris announces her running mate. then, a brutal day on wall street. the markets take a major hit. putting the economy back in the 2024 scott light. plus, elon musk. why some state officials say he is spreading misinformation. as the 11th hour gets underway on this monday night. good evening. once again, i am stephanie ruhle and we are now just 92 days away from the election. vice president kamala harris has now secured enough votes to be the democratic nominee and she is about to make her first critical decision as the official candidate. tomorrow, harris is expected to announce her running mate. later in the evening they were holding a rally in philadelphia. the latest on what harris has been searching for in a partner.

>> reporter: the decision on her running mate is eminent. two sources familiar with her tell nbc news she is expected to announce her choice tomorrow in that digital video head of a rally in philadelphia. among six contenders in the mix, she hosted at least three of them in a washington residents over the weekend. former prosecutor, josh shapiro. retired schoolteacher, tim walz. and former arizona senator, mark kelly. it is not clear who is in and who is out, but amid the scrutiny, kelly deleted a post that read, in part, now my mission is serving arizonans. they say it was just a standard post. shapiro could help harris in the critical state of pennsylvania and is facing backlash from some progressives over his criticism of some pro- palestinian protesters. he played coy this weekend when asked about his bp chances. >> i'm taking my dog for a walk. >> whoever she chooses, they

will be introduced to voters on a five-day blitz. the trump campaign is responding by sending their own vp candidate on the road. jd vance will speak to press in philadelphia tomorrow afternoon and then shadow the democrats from michigan down to north carolina. meanwhile, former president donald trump has backed out of the scheduled september 10th debate with abc news and proposed a fox news debate instead. the harris campaign said, quote, we are happy to discuss further debates after the one both campaigns already agreed to. all right. with that, let's get smarter. susan joins us, staff writer for the new yorker. karen haynes, and nbc political contributor, and reese gorman, politics contributor. you have been covering this day in and day out. we hear this rollout is going to be major. how do you think it is going to unfold? >> look. this is a process she knows

well. she went through it herself four years ago. right now it is just a lot of us sitting around, waiting for the big news. we are all trying to read the tea leaves here. what is it going to come down to? i think the campaign has said that there is going to be this digital rollout at some point. tomorrow that is not unlike the way that we have gotten a lot of other news. i believe that we might have even gotten the news about her from four years ago. i mean, it was a very tightly, closely held decision that then came and a lot of us found out there was no lead. there was no scoop on that. the vice presidential nominee, kamala harris, was named, and then there was all the excitement. so i think that she is maybe trying to replicate that. i think it is going to come down to can help her win.

so you have those, apparently a white man, maybe, is one of the things that it takes to win. that is something that we saw in our poll for the 19th news. americans felt like she might have a better chance winning with a white man so i guess we will find out who the winner is in just a few more hours. somebody who can deliver a statement, perhaps, and somebody who, frankly, can help her win and has chemistry with her. >> susan, we have seen a sort of laid out, but as the process of picking a running mate has exposed the divide between democratic progressives and moderates. can you lay out the concerns? we know it is a big ten party and they have now made it clear all the different factions that are there priorities. >> well, this is definitely played out in full public view, although in a compressed and accelerated timetable. one thing that you have seen and a positive side, you see all these possible vice

presidential candidates racing to the airwaves, getting out there as surrogates for vice president harris in the effort to show what a good vice president they would make. in a way, you wish the democrats could keep that going. i imagine they would enjoy having all of these very aggressive, accomplished surrogates out there. they have got to find a way to make the losers tomorrow still engaged in the campaign. to your question, i am wondering, once a choice is made, then that is where democrats start doing their democrat thing and start fighting with each other in public again. josh shapiro, as the presumed front runner for this vice presidents, has taken a lot of the arrows so far. you have seen some dumps of opposition research against him. also on the substance side, the palestinian side, you have seen a lot of pushback from some of the pro-palestinian protesters and their advocates on social media. the flipside is you see a lot

of them say, that's why he would be perfect. let's beat him up a little bit on the left and that will convince centrists who actually might hold the key to this election that shapiro is a good choice. he has driven a lot of the lightning so far. mark kelly. we have also seen some reporting about him in recent days to suggest that people are letting loose some damaging information, maybe to test how damaging it would be or not. we will know in a few hours. as errin said, it is important to keep this in mind. vice presidential running mates have not really proved decisive in recent elections. i saw an analysis suggesting, you are looking at maybe half of 1%, perhaps, impact in key places. remember that it was barack obama who won paul ryan's district in 2012 when he was chosen as the vice presidential candidate for mitt romney in the key state of wisconsin.

>> susan, can i push back on one thing? we don't know the democrats are going to start airing their dirty laundry after she makes that pick. we all thought i would be the case if joe biden stepped aside. we thought it would be a democrat food fight and that the convention would be an all- out war and that is not at all what happened. >> i totally agree with that. i am interested to see whether we see a reversion to this or not. i do not know what is going to happen because it is in so many ways the selection is off the script right now. democrats seem to have made an extraordinary choice, really. many of them united to push out the incumbent president of their own party in an effort to win this election, so they may be willing to obscure differences that in a primary, might have assumed paramount importance. we don't know the answer. we will knows a bit more tomorrow. >> reese, republicans answered to this big harris campaign. the push is to send jd vance on

the road. spending your summer with jd vance is how you have been spending the last few weeks. how do you think this is going to go? you have been his traveling companion. >> yeah. spent a couple of days last week traveling the west coast. this is what the trump campaign wants to happen. they want to have this quote, unquote, policy towards harrison and towards the democratic party. that is something they are excited to do. you see them come out and really talk about policy. in my interview with them, that was something. i was thinking about how he really was more forthright in talking about this when i was asking about questions of policy. >> like what? >> and the interview with the deaf boys. well, when i asked about the border wall and border security. he said that the border security will be a mainstay in the election. i asked about obama care and

they talked about overhauling obamacare. what that would look like and how they will pursue this. and also about the tax credits. they want to cut the corporate tax rate back down to 15%, as trump has said. also, jd vance is a big advocate for the tax credit, which as well. so definitely some of the policy. >> hold on. hold on. hold on. hold on. when did jd vance become a big advocate for expanding the child tax credit? he may have changed his tune and said, i think i may vote for, but that is certainly not jd vance being a big advocate for that. when did that happen? >> when i was talking to him, that was something that he did say he supported. he would like to see a big tax credit, were his words. that is something that he does support. >> all right. errin. donald trump weighed in on harrises vp candidates and here's some of what he said.

>> all of the people that she is looking at are considered much better than her. these are people that were thinking about running. they would have run except that they didn't want to go through this roadblock with her. you know, because you are the vice president. i think virtually, every one of them is considered better, smarter, would be a better president than her. but we can't allow her to be president. she is going to destroy our country. >> shall ruin it. >> errin, what is your take on this response? the all of these potential vp pro are better than her? >> i mean, all those potential other names that were out there quickly lined up behind vice president harris in the days after, literally hours after she said that she was going to earn and win this democratic nomination. she secured that nomination with support from delegates within the first 32 hours.

as you said, at the beginning of the hour, she managed to secure the necessary delegates to become the official nominee this evening. so if these candidates were better than her, they certainly didn't seem to think that their chances were better than hers because they are endorsing her. you know, just to go back to something that reese was saying, i understand that jd vance has been trying to talk about policy but that is not what the headlines are. the headlines are around child tax, simone biles pulling out of tokyo. it sounds like the trump-vance campaign is pretty much on defense and trying to scramble to get back into the headlines. they seem to be poised to get another week of momentum. her delegate secured. trying to shore up more volunteers, democrat support. >> let's talk about one of those policy issues. the first thing reese mentioned. immigration.

jd vance wants to go on offense and there is this idea that it could be a weakness for the vp. but mbc is reporting that vp harris wants to go on offense and she wants to do it this week. susan, when you think we are going to hear from her on this? >> yeah, she protested this line of argument a little bit last week and i thought it was quite successful. essentially, rather than just accepting the idea that this is a big vulnerability of hers, she is using the fact that donald trump basically sank the bipartisan immigration deal that very conservative senator jim langford had negotiated in the senate with the blessing of republican leaders. donald trump then think that deal, rather than give joe biden , the candidate, and issue to use against him in september. then he handed him an issue by doing that. i think, i thought that harrises use of this line last week was very crisp. it essentially said, wait a minute here. you want to talk about immigration. great. there is a bill.

it is great. i will sign as president. i think that that is a very effective way. the other point i would make about immigration is that for most voters for whom this is the top issue, they are already very likely trump voters in this election. immigration has been the most salient issue for trump voters. donald trump himself believes this is the reason he became president in 2016, because he emphasized this issue. it is one of the reasons he goes back to it again and again. in many respects, when he talks about immigration, he is already talking to the converted in this campaign and i think that harris is likely to use that line and then move on to issues that might actually prove more decisive with the swing voters. >> for the last two weeks or so, donald trump has been trying to distance himself from projects 2025. now, one of the key architects, a man by the name of russell is

reportedly still getting ready for trump's return to the white house and him potentially having a big role in it. reese, i thought that the trump team wanted to get rid of the plan. what is your take on votes still being so closely tied to this campaign and this team? >> it is not just votes either. it is john as well in the white house. i think this whole thing, they have been trying to separate themselves from 2025. it might just be them trying to separate themselves from the playbook. i am trying to keep some of these allies because a lot of these people that work with the program are either alumnae's of the trump white house or they are still pretty close to the former president. so i think he is just trying to get his way where he is able to say, no, i don't really agree. let me get away from that. but also for someone working on

it, i still support and will likely play a role in the second administration if that happens. >> errin, what is your take on this? >> i mean, there is definitely overlap between project 2025 and agenda 47, which is the platform the former president trump has put forward. and he is now the republican nominee so trying to distance himself from project 2025, it seems like this is in name only because they are definitely similar policies. obviously they are a lot of the same players that are contained in his orbit and the campaigns orbit. >> reese, donald trump backing out of the original september 10th debate and now saying, yep, i will do it if it is a face-off, but fox news is hosting and moderating it with an audience or not at all. what you think is going on here? what is the campaign strategy? reese? >> i really don't know. i have talked to some advisers

about this. i get differing opinions on every side. i think one thing is they really just do not like abc news. honestly, is someone that trump routinely criticizes. untruth social and at rallies. and i think that they just really don't like and news. >> but george stephanopoulos worked at abc news when they agreed to the debate. it is hardly like george just popped up and abc news did something in the last four weeks that was so sinister. what was a-ok about abc 6 weeks ago, but suddenly now, they are poison? >> i think it is that, too. the debate, biden was seen as an easy beat. you sought in the debate was expected, what was going to happen. and now the debate comes to abc news. i think that stephanopoulos is

a good scapegoat to copout. i think that harris is a more formidable opponent than what joe biden is. >> erin, what do you think? >> stephanie, guess who works at abc news? rachel scott, the reporter who just interviewed him last weekend in chicago who he called rude and nasty and insulted as not punctual and somebody who didn't know how to use their equipment when he was the one who did not want to be fact checked and thus delayed that interview, which he didn't cut short. so i don't know if that has anything to do with it, that is where she works so it is quite interesting that all of a sudden, he wants nothing to do with abc news. >> interesting indeed. errin, susan, reese, thank you for starting us off. before we go to break, and update on a story we have been following for over a year. remember this one? the raid on the marion county record newspaper. cody, the former police chief

who ordered the search of the newspaper's office and the publishers private home, will now be charged with interference in the judicial process. if convicted, cody faces between 27 and 23 months in prison. prosecutors also cleared the newspaper of any wrongdoing. we're going to stay on this story. it matters. when we return, the former president is weapon rising. today's market meltdown and blaming it somehow on vice president harris. why that is not true. we are also going to dig into what is really driving this selloff. later, what it is like to be on the short list? the vp contenders made that list twice. he will join me just ahead. the 11th hour just getting underway on a monday night. but just ok isn't ok.

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turn up the volume. i know you have been waiting for this conversation. this was a very tough day in the financial markets. stocks fell sharply. today's meltdown is now triggering fears of a recession. it started overnight in japan, where the market there dropped more than 12%. dennis spread to europe and ended up here in the u.s. let's talk with our senior analyst. okay, ron.

the dow is down 1000 points. the sep had its worst day since 2022. what is happening here? >> two things, stephanie. there are very complicated trades taking place where big speculators borrowed money very cheaply in japan. the cost of money in japan has gone up, so the big trades they put on using inexpensive finances from japan to buy all manner of aspects in the u.s., cryptocurrencies, those trades went south. as you noted, japan felt not only 12% last night but 8% the night before. 20% in two days is a crash. covering losses in these trades, they started selling everything they can get their hands on. japanese stocks, european stocks, and u.s. stocks. add to that fridays weaker than expected employment report caused fears that the federal reserve may be holding off on lowering interest rates too much to force a weakness in the u.s. economy.

this was a one-two punch that knocked not just our markets but markets all around the globe . >> here's the thing. i want to try to get our audiences had around this because the unwinding of the yen carry trade is about 1 million miles away literally and figuratively from our day- to-day economy. it was just an economist from the university of michigan today who said the fears of recession after today's market selloff are not necessary. the things that affect people's real lives, employment, income, spending. the data says the economy is doing well, even though unemployment is ticking up word but here is the question. do these investors, warren buffett, one of the biggest, most successful investors on the planet, who we saw selling a lot of positions over the last couple of days, do they know something that we don't? what is this fuss about? i know the market is different from the economy, but a lot of

nonmarket experts are saying, with the market telling us? >> years and years ago, i wrote a book called, the message of the markets. stocks going down, interest rates going down, that is a suggestion that professional investors are worried that the economy is going to begin, or that there is some financial market shock that is underway that could create not just financial instability but economic instability. that is why everyone got so nervous today. now, japan is up 9% this evening. it may have just been the unwinding of these very complex trades with a lot of our own money that had to be unwound and taken away out of the marketplace, but there is also a legitimate concern that the u.s. economy is slowing down and that the federal reserve is waiting too long to lower interest rates to forestall any impending weakness here at home. >> did they wait too long? do you think today's selloff could instigate emergency

action on their part? >> no. that would be a very panicky thing to do. the fed should be talking about how it stands ready to support the u.s. economy in the event that there is a financial shock , whether it is like 1997 or '98 or some other period in the recent past. they don't need to cut rates between meetings. that would be a very panicky move. the fed should probably cut rates by a half-point in september. and i think that would go a long way in alleviating some fears that they are behind the curve in supporting the economy, which has slowed. we are not in a recession but the economy clearly has slowed down. >> and of course, the fed has been trying to get the economy to slowly cool. it was their overall goal. let's talk about donald trump for a moment because he called today, quotes, the kamala crash. with a series of posts on his

favorite platform, truth social. the respondent calling trump's attacks chaotic, ranting lies. i want to share what neal povudo on fox news said about donald trump's claims. >> the donald trump thing and the market amazes me. they're looking forward to him and when they are down it is all because the democrats and how horrific they are. yet some of our biggest point follow-ups, some of the biggest of the top 10, occurred during his administration. a lot of those were the covid years. i get that. but you either on the markets or you don't. it does confuse me. i don't think it confuses neal or me or you. what do you think? >> neal is exactly right. as much as it pains me to say that for someone working for another network, he is 100% correct. this was not a crash in the u.s. this wouldn't even show up in the annals of stockmarket history as a crash here. 20% down in the nikkei in two

days, yeah, that's a crash. under severe pressure. but here at home, these 2%, 3% declines don't count as a crash. nothing to do with vice president harris. they have everything to do with what we discussed thus far. someday down the road, the respective policies of a trump or harris administration will get scrutiny on wall street or mainstreet. that is not what has happened in the last 24, 48 hours. >> the unwinding of the yen carry trade has nothing to do with minnesota governor tim walz potentially being her vp pick. speaking of donald trump, before you go, his stock, his media company, dj t, it is done more than 7% today. that is nearly triple the average stock move. i know that as we get closer to september, we are closer to the date when donald trump can dump his position. what you think is going on here? >> i think number one, polling shows that kamala harris is now

ahead for the first time in this race. number two, the president had some adverse rulings on whether or not they can go forward in a new york trial. when she was convicted of some activities. i think his news flow has not been all that great today. so in addition to that, there is that overhang of a possibility that he could sell some shares. when supply hits the market, that tends to depress that there as well. combination of factors pushing down the stock. as you see, it is well below the high that we saw several months ago. >> a possibility? i am going to say probability. ron, always good to see you, especially on nights like this. when we returned, vp harris is closing on on her vp pick. former senator edmund by knows all about that. he has been a finalist more than once. he is going to join me when the 11th hour continues.

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with vice president kamala harris expected to announce her running mate tomorrow, that means the grueling process to vet the next potential vp is coming to a close. two sources familiar with harris's thinking say she needs and wants someone who will follow her lead and appeal to older white voters and suburban women. joining us now is former democratic senator of indiana, evan by. he has also served as

governor of indiana and he knows what this process is like. is great to see you. it has been too long. i know you have been vetted as a potential vp not once but twice. what is this process like? >> stephanie, it is great to be with you and your audience tonight. it is pretty intense. they do a deep dive. there is a whole team of people assigned to you. you turn over 10 years of tax returns, all of your medical records. they interview your spouse. they even check out your children's social media. the boys were 10 or 11 at the time. so they do a very deep dive and if you don't want to basically bury your entire life and soul publicly, you shouldn't go through the process. >> isn't that funny when you say that? when you say 10 years of tax returns and your full medical records, we have never gotten either of those from donald trump and he was the president once and wants to run again.

>> stephanie, you are very perceptive. you can make an argument that with the way things have gone, particularly with former president trump. in some ways, the standard for being picked for vice president is higher because the first thing i noticed with my tax return, he has never revealed his. i think we all had a good chuckle at what his physician described as the greatest physical specimen he had ever seen. i think there is a little incredulity about that one. >> maybe just a bit. what is it like? those last few days after you have gone through the grueling process. i want to basically liken it to a colonoscopy but i am trying not to. >> i have already done that. >> after you have gone through the figurative and literal colonoscopy of getting vetted for this, what is it like? i am thinking about what it is like for senator mark kelly, governor shapiro, governor tim walz tonight. >> well, it is an adrenaline

high. if you are in to make a difference for your country, which is the only difference to be in it really, and maybe a person, maybe even the next president, says, i need you to help govern the country and help provide opportunities for the american people. that is a pretty heavy thing and it starts off with casting a very wide net. in my case, it was down to my joe biden and tim kaine, the sender from virginia. i met with caroline kennedy and the former attorney general. i came into the house feeling pretty good about it. i met with then senator obama for three hours. we had a good three hour conversation over cheeseburgers and talked about life and her views and what we hope to accomplish. at the end of the day, and i will tell you, the first thing they look for is someone who can be president in an emergency. that is related to the second

thing, which is, do no harm. i think we have seen jd vance roll out of the last thing you want is a distraction by your running mate. the third thing is personal chemistry. can you get along together? is the person loyal? finally, it is an intensely political decision because you don't get any ribbons for second place when you are running for president. so amongst two or three people, all of whom may pass those other tests, it is who can help you when and who can help you govern. in one of my cases, and i had a republican governor, i would have been replaced in the senate by a republican. delaware had a democratic governor and president biden was replaced by a great guy. a great guy. and as it turned out, the affordable care act, for example, was passed by a single vote. some of the other important legacies of president obama were passed by a single vote. those things do come into play and a senator, like senator kelly, maybe this time not so

much. but it is who can help you when . that, at the end of the day, is what counts. >> who do you think that person is for vp harris? you've got to governors and tim walz and josh shapiro. you've got a senator with a great profile, mark kelly. who do you think should be her running mate? knowing what you know about national politics, you also know a state like indiana. what do you think is the best pick? >> well, they will have access to all sort of polling data. focus groups and things that will have the real answer. but you and me in the audience tonight, we have all learned with the 2000 campaign and the 2016 campaign, winning the popular vote, unfortunately, that doesn't get the job done. you have got to win the electoral college. so the score in california or new york doesn't get you bonus electors. you look at the individuals.

particularly, governors tend to be more popular in their states, more in touch with the people. at least in my experience. both governor and senator fred you are there, so you might deliver more votes out-of-state pride and other things. especially for the individual. you look at minnesota and pennsylvania. minnesota has been close, but pennsylvania might be the key. if governor shapiro can look at his personal connection to the voters in pennsylvania and moved across into kamala harris's column, that is a pretty persuasive argument. >> well, she will be in pennsylvania tomorrow, as well the governor. we will soon see what happens next. it is great to have you back. great to see you. >> always a pleasure. when we return, a few tech moguls have made a bigger splash this election season, but none as big as elon musk.

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information that suggests vice president kamala harris missed ballot deadlines in nine states. to be absolutely clear, that is a lie. she hasn't. this comes just days after mosque was caught violating his own policies on x, formally twitter, by sharing and ai deep fake of harris without posting any disclaimers. the secretary of state is also investigating his new super pack which supports donald trump for new potential violations. meanwhile, in a landmark antitrust decision, a federal judge has ruled that google is a monopolist. i told you a lot happened today. now welcome in roger. a google investor, he also sits on the advisory board of open markets institute, a leading antitrust organization. so much to cover, but i want to start with google. what you make of this ruling? >> stephanie, this is incredibly important because the justice department proved

to the satisfaction of the judge that google is, indeed, and the monopolist when it comes to search. i think a key piece of evidence is the deal that google has with apple to buy the automatic placement of a search engine in the top slot, so it is the default search engine on all apple mobile devices and all mobile desktops. that is the deal for which they paid $26 billion in the most recent year for which we have data. and the thing that is so astonishing about this is there documents that google disclosed the suggested it would cost them $30 billion to lose that default position. obviously, you have to be a monopolist to be able to afford to pay somebody $30 billion or $20 billion for exclusivity. from apple's perspective, this is a huge problem because it suggests that apple is also a monopolist. if you want to understand why elon musk and others are so anxious or by internet

billionaires are so anxious, it is because they are afraid that for the first time ever, they are going to be held responsible for their actions. >> so this ruling happened. the average ruler is going to say google was a monopolist. dad, we all have known that. what does this mean. what does this mean happens next? >> we won't know for certain until they go through the penalty phase, which comes up next. there are a lot of options. i suspect they will need to break up google, to separate the search business from everything else, but we don't know that the judge will go along with that. this thing to understand is that there is a second antitrust case against google related to its advertising technology. it goes to court beginning next month, so google has a world of hurt coming here and apple behind it and then presumably amazon and others will face similar scrutiny. it is absolutely legitimate because they are monopolists and because they are, there has

been essentially no product innovation in the technology industry in these gigantic important categories. products like search have gotten worse in recent years. products like facebook have gotten worse because these companies have no competitive pressure. >> let's go back to that last thing you said. given this ruling, we should expect to see the tech billionaires, some of the egg's names and faces in that space, really push back against this because this is the first time they have seen real accountability. should we expect to see just a mad rush of tech giants get even further behind donald trump then we have seen thus far? >> well, i assume that that is correct, but it will be hard for them to get more behind him than they already are. the observation i would make is that last week, the new york times and others talked about a catfight between billionaires in silicon valley, some supporting trump, some supporting harris.

the reality is, that is not the story. the real story is that the billionaires in silicon valley have come to represent so much wealth and so much concentration of economic power that their interests have diverged from the interest of the country, so the real battle we should be having now is about the direction of silicon valley. there are real problems, like climate change, like public health, like education, that silicon valley could be solving, but instead, they are doing make-believe industries like cryptocurrencies and generative ai. were the actual value of these things is somewhere between zero and a little bit and in a time where they are consuming resources that are accelerating climate change, using up precious water, and undermining copyrights and personal privacy. so this is a giant bottle, and i do believe it is super, super important for people to recognize that no matter how much they admire the billionaires, the interest of the billionaires are not aligned with the interests of the country right now.

>> but then it is a giant battle between who and who? because they have so much outsized power and influence. who are they actually battling right now? the well-being of humanity? humanity doesn't fight back. humanity doesn't give campaign donations. >> no, but humanity votes. the critical thing is that the biden administration, to its everlasting credit, has begun to attack concentrated economic power and do so successfully. that is what the case shows you. it means that the people, by using their boats, can, in fact, constrain the tech industry in ways that really matter. we know that text can contribute enormously to the economy and empower people, but since the financial crisis, the industry has been focused on extracting value from everybody else. weirdly, the way to control this is at the ballot box, and by sending the signal to vice president harris and her team that we want to continue the

policies begun under her administration with joe biden that bring economic power and distribute it again, get the entrepreneurial economy going again. create products that are really useful. >> i don't mean to interrupt but i am out of time. i just have to ask you though, that is assuming that the american people and the voters get on this information. let's talk about elon musk. he is sharing deep fates without any disclaimers. his chat but is spreading misinformation. not nonsense misinformation, but misinformation about whether or not people in swing spates -- states are even registered to vote. that is hugely dangerous. >> it is, and it probably violates the law. the advancement in the last seven years, trying to persuade congress to pass laws that make it hard for tech companies to interfere in our elections. so far, nothing has happened. we need to send the message that this must happen at the beginning of the next congress. again, we have to do this at

the ballot box. it is the only tool left for us and i think we should be extremely hopeful because a court just voted against google. the most powerful company, possibly in our economy. and in doing so, it sent a message to the rest of the tech industry that you are being watched and we have the power to break you up or to constrain your behavior in ways that actually help the american people. >> all right then, roger. i haven't seen you in a while, but it was great to have you on today. thank you for sharing your expertise. i appreciate it. >> thank you, stephanie. when we return, he became the world's fastest man in a stunning photo finish, but it is what he did next that has me smiling so much. when the 11th hour continues. cashback on flapjacks, baby backs, or tacos at the taco shack.

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